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2008 Pittsburgh Pirates Top Ten Prospects
| 2008 Top Ten Prospects | Honorable Mentions | ||||
| 1 | McCutchen | Bixler | Meek | ||
| 2 | Pearce | Corley | Molleken | ||
| 3 | Moskos | Davidson | Redmond | ||
| 4 | Lincoln | Delaney | Sakamoto | ||
| 5 | Walker | Herrera | R Sanchez | ||
| 6 | Astacio | Keel | Valdez | ||
| 7 | Ford | ||||
| 8 | Welker | ||||
| 9 | Benoit | ||||
| 10 | Bresnahan | ||||
(Edit 12:45 PM: Readers let me know I left Romak off. My bad. When he was left exposed I pulled his index card. Put Romak below Walker and drop Bresnahan to the honerable mention list.)
It’s a sad day when I have to dig through so many lower level relievers to try and find some stuff. But these are the guys I think have the best chance to move forward in the Pirates system next year.
Ford is a guess because of his back injury; Astacio could get an early call up if Huntington doesn’t find a right-hand reliever and that could stunt his development. Is Lincoln going to be Lincoln anymore after surgery? I dropped him a rung because I just don’t know. And is Pearce really going to maintain? I’m not so sure I agree with the fans he will but threw him in at #2 because he got the job done.
Honestly, after Lincoln everything starts to get blurry. Walker is an obvious top 5 but does he really fit after being moved out from the dish? Benoit is my wild-card guess and I just like Bresnahan’s stuff. Herrera could be a top 10 but until he proves his value this year, I’m not putting any stock in him. However, I have not seen him pitch either so who knows.
Jared Keel is my sleeper. I’m guessing he’ll start in Hickory to get him on track and since he lives there (the local boy plays here again theme) and then be off to Lynchburg at some point in the year. We’ll see how he does away from his mom then. Just kidding Jared.
Pacheco could be here but he was a bit old for the SAL last year. Boone is another guy I just don’t have that gut feeling about. He has some stats in his favor but I’m not sold. Kyle Bloom – is he finally back? We’ll find out in 2008.
As for JvB, Bullington, Burnett, Perez, Bayliss.. Bullington is by far the better of the group, I think Burnett gets released in camp and then files ten grievances, and Perez and Bayliss are marginal.
JvB? It’s amazing how much abuse he took last year. I think his stuff is a lot better than 2007 showed us but he’s obviously going to take more time to develop it because it’s too trackable. And that worries me about Jeff Andrews as our pitching coach – he should have known that.
Here’s the 2007 top 10 list in review:
| 2007 Top Ten Prospects | ||||
| BA | Bucco Blog | John Sickels | ||
| 1 | McCutchen | McCutchen | McCutchen | |
| 2 | Walker | Lincoln | Lincoln | |
| 3 | Lincoln | Van Benschoten | Lillibridge | |
| 4 | Herrera | Walker | Walker | |
| 5 | Sharpless | Bullington | Bixler | |
| 6 | Pearce | Ford | Felix | |
| 7 | Bixler | Redmond | Redmond | |
| 8 | Corley | Lillibridge | Sharpless | |
| 9 | Redmond | Sharpless | Herrera | |
| 10 | Felix | Corley | Ford | |
Andrew McCutchen’s final line in 2007:
| G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | TB | BB | SO | SB | CS | AVE | OBP | SLG |
| 164 | 611 | 90 | 164 | 29 | 5 | 11 | 57 | 236 | 62 | 106 | 29 | 7 | 0.268 | 0.338 | 0.386 |
As we look back on the top 10 prospect lists from last year, we see the two big gurus (BA and Sickels) had Mike Felix and Yoslan Herrera who both bombed; all three had Josh Sharpless who took a step backwards and was finally released by the Pirates, cleared waivers and then resigned to issue more walks in AAA; BA and Bucco Blog had Brad Corley who regressed as well; and I had Van Benschoten who bombed but I saw Ford a bit better than the other two.
Todd Redmond took a step back at Lynchburg but I credit that to the Pirates forcing +88 innings on him 2005 to 2006 more than anything. This year his arm will either break off or he’ll hold on and we’ll get a better idea if he can master High-A.
BA had Pearce which I totally overlooked and the two gurus had Brian Bixler ranked while I left him off in favor of Corley. I’m still not sold on Bixler as an everyday player and his 23% K% with a .396 SLG, while also bombing with Team USA, continues to keep me away from him. Is he really a top ten prospect? Perhaps.. perhaps. He still has time to grow.
So none of us did exceptionally well but that’s to be expected in such a marginal system. Hopefully this time next year it will be easier to compile this list.
Readers ask about Mr. Neal Huntington
Neal Huntington will be named the Pirates next general manager Tuesday and folks have been asking a lot of questions so I thought I’d take a few moments to answer some.
Was Huntington promoted in 2005 as the Indians now want to claim, or was he actually demoted?
"Indians GM Mark Shapiro, who recently had his contract extended through the 2007 season, announced yesterday the contract extension of four of his closest advisers.
Huntington, however, has been demoted from assistant general manager to special assistant to the general manager, which is essentially a scouting role. Huntington will team with Gary Tuck and Steve Lubratich as the Indians’ advance scouts in 2005." — Cleveland Morning Journal, March 1, 2005
Cleveland rebuilt in 2002 and are now division champs. What was the main trade that brought the Indians the youth they are winning with today and what was Huntington’s role?
"Even though Cleveland has traded away some valuable big-league talent, the organization has stockpiled a terrific group of young players.
Heading the list is Triple-A shortstop Brandon Phillips, pried from the Expos in the deal that sent Colon to Montreal. Phillips, at the age of 21, is clearly among the top prospects in the game and a terrific athlete who can do it all on the field. Cleveland, which also received Class A outfielder Grady Sizemore and Triple-A left-hander Cliff Lee in the deal, did its homework on the trade… Cleveland cross-checker Tony Lacava was Montreal’s farm director last season.." ESPN, August 7, 2002
Huntington was essentially a mouthpiece for Mark Shapiro at the time and had just taken over that role. In fact, in a 2005 interview with ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick, Huntington indicated he was only just being pushed out the door by Shapiro to begin his evaluating days with the Indians (the demotion, as listed above).
The Indians, of course, gave away Brandon Phillips to the Reds and it was Huntington who decided on a relief pitcher Jeff Stevens to complete the trade. Other notable deals Hunting was credited with included obtaining Milton Bradley in 2001 and trading Ryan Church in 2004 for Scott Stewart.
Not to mention the disastrous Roberto Alomar trade in 2002 he kissed off on and his desire to see Shea Hillenbrand in a Indians uniform at the trade deadline in 2005.
Thus, he was sent to the field to learn how to better evaluate it seems. Huntington put it best when he said:
"All we’re trying to do is gather as much quality information as we can and put it in a consolidated form and give it to the staff. Then they take it from there." ESPN, September 2005
The key words – THEY take it from there.
Do you know of any Huntington signees over the years?
Carl Sadler is one
Bill Thurston — the next Pirates pitching coach?
I don’t think Mr. Thurston will be leaving Amherst College anytime soon. But you bring up an interesting connection between Thurston, Huntington, and Dr. James Andrews and his ASMI lab.
I’ve mentioned for two years here that the Pirates had opportunities to retain and evaluate players better by using the lab, but Dave Littlefield rejected that notion over the years. Ryan Vogelsong in particular, was even willing to pay his own way to better himself but the Pirates refused to allow him that opportunity.
And Mets pitching coach Rick Peterson, who is one of the more extreme believers in the lab, sent Oliver Perez down and look at him now. Littlefield had a chance to have Perez evaluated for a mere $2,500 +/- but decided against it.
Will Huntington start using the lab? Doubtful, at least team-wide. But will Huntington start employing new-school bio-mechanical research into his game plan within the Pirates system? I have to believe he will with all the bounce-back type delivery arms we have floating around waiting to break.
I’m a firm believer in hard pitch counts for young pitchers (less than 2 years in the big show) and the Pirates have employed a 35 pitch limit AA down. Unfortunately, it hasn’t been adhered too as well as it could. And in AAA this year we’ve blown at least one 40 with one young arm.
While Huntington doesn’t seem to believe as strongly about hard pitch counts, it will be interesting to see if he reduces the limit to 30 AA down and limits maximum pitches per outing to around 80 High-A down. That might have saved Brad Lincoln, among others.
When was the last time an advance scout became another teams general manager?
I can’t find that it’s ever happened. I’m guessing it has, I just can’t find an example.
Last Saturday Mark Shapiro said Huntington was "one of our chief evaluators and one of our strongest voices on every level." That’s a very curious statement to make considering the Indians just clinched the division and are heading to post-season play now without one of their "chief evaluators" and "strongest voices."
Maybe Shapiro meant Huntington is a fiery redhead loud-mouth who is excellent at evaluating Indian chiefs on the range? Some say that makes about as much sense as what Shapiro seemed to be saying.
Is it possible Frank Coonelly picked his man from reading a book?
I suppose that’s about as plausible as Robert Nutting deciding he wanted another nice guy UMass grad who worked in player development for a respected organization.
Is there any truth to the Internet rumor that Mark Shapiro wasn’t going to renew Huntington’s contract after this year?
Wow – haven’t heard that one. But since one of Shapiro’s ‘strongest voices’ was delegated to pencil pushing scouting, who knows. Maybe.
Jake, tell me something positive.
Well, hmm.. how about this. Huntington’s contract will probably only be three years and Tony LaCava’s contract ends after 2010.
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I’m off to Miami.
Speaking Frankly to Frank
This isn’t a pleasant story and I’m probably going to lose some close friends in the game because of it, but it has to be told. Not because the fans need to hear it, but because Frank Coonelly needs to hear it since I assume he is in his due diligence stage on Neal Huntington since he hasn’t signed yet, and Coonelly isn’t likely to hear it from others in the game.
I don’t expect this post to make a lot of sense to my readers but I know it will to the right people.
Baseball consists of a very tight fraternity and, unlike the experience you might have had in your college days, nearly everyone instantly becomes a member of that fraternity by virtue of their position in the game. How long they stay there, however, is based solely on their credibility.
Most of these fraternity members help each other out no matter what the personal cost. For instance, if a GM is considering a trade he’ll ask his in-house fraternity entourage to dig up all they can on the player he wants. Those lieutenants, in turn, will call their fraternity brothers and sisters to get the scoop and report back to the GM.
The fraternity has only a few cardinal rules that, when broken, will immediately get one of its members blackballed around the game. Chief among them is that a member doesn’t backstab another member.
Isn’t that right Mr. Shapiro?
For instance, if you always wondered why David Littlefield had few trade partners around the game, or always seemed to get taken when he did make a deal, now you know one potential reason why – some around the game say Littlefield not only broke that cardinal rule in the hours before his second interview with **** Freeman and Kevin McClatchy, but also later when he put his team together.
And many in the fraternity knew it.
When Robert Nutting announced the firing of David Littlefield, members of the fraternity who had a friend that desired to be considered for the Pirates GM position jumped into action by calling their closest allies rallying support. That’s typical because those who are under contract with another club obviously can’t solicit their own cause.
But what is not typical is when a senior member of that fraternity ends up pushing his support behind a member of his own club seemingly in the hopes of getting rid of him, instead of supporting the very fraternity member he was asked to rally behind after he said he would.
Especially when that member of the senior member’s own club was the one who took the phone calls from the allied members seeking the senior member’s support for their own candidate.
That becomes multiple back stabbings.
The end result is that the guy who seemingly got the position now has a long road to hoe to establish any credibility back with the fraternity he just screwed members of, he faces anger and a loss of credibility within his potential new club because some of those members are in the fraternity and are fighting mad he didn’t do the right thing to begin with, and he’s quickly finding out he can’t hire the help he wants because fraternity members are turning their backs on him.
Frank, hiring a #4 guy who had been minimalized over the years to the point of being excluded from his club’s inner circle is one thing, but to hire a guy who just castrated himself from the fraternity is quite another.
You need to take a long, hard, look at what you are doing because, other than the other potential backstabbers that exist around you who are in ‘save-my-job-mode’, the few good people you do have are quite angry – as are some key players as we hear it.
Set an example.. do the right thing and back up. You’ve got the names right, you just have the wrong order. You’ve told the media Huntington is not your pick up to this point – now confirm it by installing Tony LaCava as the GM and make Huntington HIS "special advisor".
Because, as JP has probably already told you, that’s the only way LaCava will be allowed to leave. LaCava can pick Huntington, but Huntington can’t pick LaCava.
Please get it right – you’re inches from putting a perfect team together. The respect you’ll gain from those in the game by making the right decision will far outweigh that little bump in the road you hit the last 36 hours.
Pirates on losing end of wild ride
Friday’s game was one of the more comical games I have seen all year. Miscues, fumbles, bad throws, out of position fielders, ridiculous game management calls by both catchers, dropped balls, and the list goes on and on.
In the end, the Cubs mashed past the Pirates putting them up two games on the Brewers who play Friday night.
This game was played so poorly by both clubs, it isn’t worth discussing.
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Other than the 1st, 2cd, and 3rd innings of Friday’s insane game, in the last 21 innings the Pirates have had 79 men come to bat, managed just 12 hits (.164 BA) with three of those infield hits, struck out 32% of the time, and, believe it or not, managed just 40% of all balls they put in play to reach the outfield, and that includes the grounders through the infield.
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Cesar Izturis left Friday’s game with "right elbow irritation", Jason Bay remained on the pine with his "knee" problem, and for the second day in a row, Salomon Torres refused to show up in time for the game. He’s expected in late Friday night. Word on the street is that Jack Wilson is not expected to show up Sunday and the Pirates will state his "hammy" is still bothering him. We’ll see.
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I guess this is what I get for laughing at the Astros hire.
The more I talk to folks around the game, the more disappointed I am in Frank Coonelly’s pick for general manager, if Huntington is actually named GM.
Huntington isn’t a "brilliant" pick for anyone except Frank Coonelly who must be kissing Robert Nutting’s butt and his pocketbook. In fact, Huntington is an extremely poor and inexperienced pick considering the men potentially available like Logan White, Tony LaCava, Eddie Bane, David Forst, and many, many, others.
The Nutting kin theme seems to continue – maximum profits with little to no regard for competition. The players are upset, the clubs are laughing at us again, and agents are wondering who the Pirates could ever get to sign with them.
I’m totally disgusted. The scant bit of hope I had left in my locker trying as hard as I could to believe anything Robert Nutting said, will be flushed down the toilet when Huntington is announced.
We had a chance.. we had a chance..
Confirmed – Huntington is new GM
What do you know, John Perrotto got this one right.. Neal Huntington has been tapped to be the next Pirates GM.
There was some speculation that since Boston Red Sox assistant general manager Jed Hoyer interviewed Wednesday, that signaled that round one talks were continuing but, just as Perrotto reported, baseball sources around the game are confirming Huntington has accepted the position.
Other chatter around the game is that Dan Duquette’s hand prints are all over Robert Nutting’s "new" Pirates. It will be interesting to see if he is offered a position.
More when we hear it.
Perrotto: Huntington’s the GM
Beaver County Times writer John Perrotto stated this morning that:
"The Pittsburgh Pirates have all but settled on their next general manager and it appears their choice is going to be a surprise.
Multiple baseball sources told The Times on Thursday night that the Pirates are leaning heavily toward hiring Neal Huntington, a special assistant to the general manager with the Cleveland Indians."
Wow – just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse in Pittsburgh, Perrotto comes up with the name of Dave Littlefield’s assistant in Montreal.
Brutal.
Since Perrotto has been known to see flying cows at times, I’m not going to hold my breath that Coonelly and Nutting are so stupid they plan to hire Littlefield II.
What a PR nightmare.
Knowing Coonelly was still conducting interviews late this week, we’re going to write off Perrotto’s article as a joke on Pirates’ fans for right now.
A sick joke.
Amaro pulls out, Wade named Astros GM
Word around the game is that Ruben Amaro Jr. was handed the GM position with the Astros with Ed Wade becoming his senior advisor and Amaro withdrew his name.
Perhaps Amaro feels he has a better opportunity in Pittsburgh or Kansas City?
A week or two ago Bucco Blog had heard the the Pirates were considering a senior advisor type position but we didn’t mention it because the candidate we thought it was designed for, Chris Antonetti, quickly dropped out. Whether or not the Pirates actually considered it we don’t know.
But in any case, we wish the Astros all the luck in the world with their new GM Ed Wade.
* snicker … snicker *
And we hope Amaro isn’t on any list in Pittsburgh.
* gag *
Bucs youth fold under pressure
The stage had been set perfectly for the Pirates to win just their second game in their last eight played when Matt Capps took the mound in the bottom of the eighth with two outs and the Bucs ahead 3-2, and struck out Terrmel Sledge stranding a man at third.
The ninth started pretty routine as Mike Cameron flied out and Adrian Gonzalez hit a 3-1 heater to deep left that Nate McLouth camped under, he jumped, and..
.. the ball whizzed by his glove and off the base of the wall.
Instead of a routine sure out, Gonzalez had a double. Why McLouth even jumped is anyone’s guess (although Pirate fans know well he some kind of an affliction for outfield walls) as he stood a good five feet in front of the wall and had plenty of time to adjust his position to the flight of the ball.
So with a man at second and one out, Khailil Greene flied out to center for the second out, Capps walked Kevin Kouzmanoff to put men at first and second, and up to the plate came Pirate killer Scott Hairston who, by the way, had never faced Capps before.
As Hairston approached the batters box, Jim Colborn headed to the mound to talk to Capps obviously aware of two facts: one, Hairston’s career 1.021 OPS against the Pirates was better than any other team in baseball he had faced; and two, Capp’s career September ERA was over 4. After settling on a plan of action, Colborn left the mound.
Capps rared back and threw a first pitch fastball right down the heart of the plate Hairston just watched float by for strike one. The second pitch was a slider and the video below shows you where that pitch ended up:
For the third time in 2007 when Capps came out early in the 8th, he would walk off the mound with a loss, and none as disheartening as this one.
As the Pirates left the field they looked like little puppy dogs who had been spanked for the first time – shocked and in disbelief. As Capps quickly walked off the mound at Petco dragging his new career September 5.14 ERA behind him, the field erupted into chaos as the Padres and their fans celebrated Hairston’s walk-off home run.
Nate McLouth looked the worse of the group as he went from an ultra high knowing he had tied the game in the third inning with his double and then lost the game with his poor fielding, all in six quick innings.
This was Matt Capps first appearance at Petco and the first time ever Capps had allowed an earned run to the Padres. Capps had thrown just 55 pitches in all of September and had last pitched September 14th.
The loss was eerily similar to Capps loss against the Dodgers June 24th when the Pirates had tied the game 3-3 in the top of the ninth only to see Capps blow it in the bottom with a Aybar walk-off single.
Before entering Wednesday’s game, Padres batters had a team .259/.310/.407 career line against Capps, the fourth highest against Capps behind the Reds, Cubs, and Marlins (more than 10 at bats).
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Freddy Sanchez made several outstanding plays in this game behind Ian Snell. In the 2cd Sanchez did a split to receive the relay from Izturis an Chris Young’s sac bunt double play, and in the 4th he ranged far to his left and snared a Gonzalez grounder.
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Snell’s slider was polished and he pitched a good game as he has his last few outings. He deserved the win.
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Nyjer Morgan’s speed in center has played a significant factor in this series as he has been running surprisingly good routes for a rookie and making some very tough plays look easy. In the 5th he threw out Hairston attempting to stretch a single into a double by covering the ball fast and a good throw to the bag. Hairston would have been safe but his cleats grabbed the ground in his slide and he missed the bag. Still, it was Morgan’s hustle that made the play close.
Also in the 5th, Morgan stole second despite a pitch-out, and then Morgan and McLouth executed a perfect double steal putting them at second and third with one out. However, Sanchez ground out to short with the infield in and Morgan held (Cox wanted him to go but he would have been dead meat), and LaRoche popped out to the catcher in foul territory to end the threat.
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Since a few readers have asked, one of the Pirates’ rumor blogs who seem to report a lot more fiction than facts, The Buzz on the Burgh, among many other things said:
"Sources have told the Buzzontheburgh, the Pirates were denied permission to speak to Marlins VP of Personnel Dan Jennings."
What is ironic about this post is the fact the Marlins made it known to all MLB clubs back in August they would not allow any of their executives to be interviewed since they are all under contract until 2010. So where this blog got its information that Coonelly would even pick up the phone and call the Marlins against their wishes is beyond me. The probability of that is zilch.
Besides, you have to assume the guy the Pirates would want to interview out of the Marlins stable would most likely be Mike Hill, not Dan Jennings.
The Pirates have gone into slow motion with their GM search after Robert Nutting made quick order of hiring his CEO. From the speculation we are hearing, the Pirates haven’t even completed their first round of talks yet so that means an expected announcement probably won’t be made until well into next week at the earliest.
None of the additional candidates mentioned in the press warrants discussion other than those we’ve already talked about. Logan White and Tony LaCava have to be the two top candidates with LaCava having the inside edge.
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Since Wednesday’s game was played on talk like a Pirate day, Arrgghhhh!
Philly.com: Pirates haven’t called about Amaro
Updating our report a couple of days ago that FSN Houston reported on-air in the Pirates game that Ruben Amaro Jr. had interviewed with the Pirates, today respected writer Paul Hagen with the Philadelphia Daily News said:
"In the meantime, the Pirates apparently have not yet asked for permission to speak to Amaro about their opening."
That is consistent with the reports Bucco Blog obtained about a week ago indicating Amaro had no interest in the Pirates position, so it looks like FSN Houston’s announcement was in error.
Pirates mauled in rubber match
As this is being written, the Pirates are losing 13-3 and well on their way to taking their worst beating of the year. No sense dwelling on it – tomorrow is another day. Just as well, I’m at the beach today anyway.
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Fox Sports Network is standing by their comment that Ruben Amaro Jr. has interviewed with the Pirates. Evidently their source is either "the Pirates broadcasters or writers" currently at the park. Amaro has also interviewed in Houston.
So my source, who indicated Amaro had no interest in Pittsburgh, might be wrong, but I’m going to stand by my report. We’ll have to watch and see.
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